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- ... that the Japanese manga series Mink featured futuristic technology even though its creator was unfamiliar with computers?
I'm not certain the source supports "unfamiliar with computers" here... Looking at the source [1], although I don't speak Japanese, Google Translate seems to indicate that this comes from a quote by the creator herself in an interview, where she says something like "I'm not good with machines". I think that's the sort of thing a lot of people say, in a self-effacing way, to indicate that they're not tech wizards... but I wouldn't translate that to the absolute "unfamiliar with computers", or indeed the article's version of this - "having little knowledge on computers" - stated in Wikivoice as well rather than attributed as a quote from Tachikawa. @Lullabying, Gonzo fan2007, and SL93: CHeers — Amakuru (talk) 19:00, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think you meant this for WT:DYK? Stephen 19:04, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- I've moved this for Amakuru with a reping for @Lullabying, Gonzo fan2007, and SL93: Stephen 21:14, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- I will wait for a response from Lullabying as an editor who has worked on many articles with Japanese language sources. I'm not entirely convinced that Google Translate is correct. SL93 (talk) 22:37, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hello. The sentence does indeed say, "I'm not good with machinery" and I can see how that might mean something else entirely. It can be changed. lullabying (talk) 07:43, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: Hey there, I noticed this was promoted for DYK but I'm not sure if you saw this reply. Thanks! lullabying (talk) 01:21, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Lullabying: - really sorry, yes, I totally missed this and forgot to come back to it. Obviously it ran several days ago now, which isn't ideal, but too late now. I'll try to be more on the ball about it in future! Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 20:02, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
I am missing the identification of Gene Scott as a "televangelist" in the article (it is used in the hook). Ping @Sammi Brie, @Jon698. —Kusma (talk) 22:45, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Kusma Remedied with a small addition to the article. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 00:21, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Perfect. —Kusma (talk) 11:35, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
The hook fact ("nobody knows anything") isn't easy to find in the article, where it is phrased as "there is no knowledge in any domain". Can this be made easier without losing accuracy or hookiness? Ping Phlsph7, Arbitrarily0. —Kusma (talk) 22:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Kusma It seems to me that "nobody knows anything" is an acceptable way to phrase it as a hook. However, I guess it can just be changed to exactly what the article says. SL93 (talk) 01:55, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- "nobody knows anything" is a correct phrasing.
- The hook could also be phrased:
- '... that according to one school of epistemology, nobody can know anything?' or
- '... that one school of epistemology denies that we can have any knowledge at all?'
- TarnishedPathtalk 04:58, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with SL93 and TarnishedPath. Both TarnishedPath's alternatives are also good. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 08:52, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not actually sure whether I should demand a change (another option would be to mention the word "skepticism"); we do not have a rule that says "it must be easy to find the hook fact in the article". I did think it was worth bringing up. —Kusma (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- For academic subjects, it can be difficult to find a hook with a formulation that is both catchy and present in the article in almost the same wording. One reason is that the criteria for good hooks are quite different from the criteria for good academic explanations. The suggested alternatives would also work but as far as hookiness is concerned, I think the current formulation is better. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:36, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- OK, let's leave as is then. —Kusma (talk) 11:36, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- For academic subjects, it can be difficult to find a hook with a formulation that is both catchy and present in the article in almost the same wording. One reason is that the criteria for good hooks are quite different from the criteria for good academic explanations. The suggested alternatives would also work but as far as hookiness is concerned, I think the current formulation is better. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:36, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not actually sure whether I should demand a change (another option would be to mention the word "skepticism"); we do not have a rule that says "it must be easy to find the hook fact in the article". I did think it was worth bringing up. —Kusma (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with SL93 and TarnishedPath. Both TarnishedPath's alternatives are also good. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 08:52, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
Older nominations needing DYK reviewers
[edit]The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so I've created a new list of 30 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through January 27. We have a total of 336 nominations, of which 199 have been approved, a gap of 137 nominations that has increased by 9 over the past 6 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!
More than one month old
- January 1: Template:Did you know nominations/Fossils of Finland
- January 5: Template:Did you know nominations/Effects of Typhoon Yagi in Vietnam
- January 8: Template:Did you know nominations/Temujin Kensu
- January 8: Template:Did you know nominations/Maria McDermottroe
Other nominations
January 10: Template:Did you know nominations/Armstrong House (Britt, Iowa)January 10: Template:Did you know nominations/History of the National Hockey League (2017–present)January 12: Template:Did you know nominations/Series fiction- January 12: Template:Did you know nominations/Transgender health care misinformation
- January 13: Template:Did you know nominations/Communism in Brazil
- January 15: Template:Did you know nominations/Citybus Route 12A
- January 15: Template:Did you know nominations/The Prosecutor
- January 17: Template:Did you know nominations/Point the Finger
- January 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Dabney Coleman
- January 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Alexander Goehr
- January 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Alia Fischer
- January 19: Template:Did you know nominations/Kasey Morlock
January 20: Template:Did you know nominations/Nagi NemotoJanuary 20: Template:Did you know nominations/British Virgin Islands at the 2024 Summer Olympics- January 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Elon Musk gesture controversy
- January 21: Template:Did you know nominations/Didacts and Narpets
- January 22: Template:Did you know nominations/CSS-10 (aircraft)
- January 23: Template:Did you know nominations/David Szymanski
- January 23: Template:Did you know nominations/Operation Dugo
- January 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Dale Carson
- January 24: Template:Did you know nominations/Alan Wills (record label founder)
January 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Flying saucer- January 25: Template:Did you know nominations/Grace Beyer
- January 25: Template:Did you know nominations/1990 Serbian general election (2nd nomination)
- January 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Simeon Barclay
January 26: Template:Did you know nominations/Jake Brown (footballer)
Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
Preps need moving
[edit]@DYK admins: We will have one queue filled in less than an hour. SL93 (talk) 23:06, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- on it Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, Casliber and Ganesha811. SL93 (talk) 00:28, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: @Bunnypranav: @Darth Stabro: The article just says "Cordella designed around twenty churches for various immigrant ethnic groups" and hints that they're all in Minnesota, but doesn't actually say so. RoySmith (talk) 18:49, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- The bottom note also has a citation needed tag. SL93 (talk) 19:21, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Cited now. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 04:13, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hmm, I guess I'd disagree that it's just a hint. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 03:30, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
@SL93: @Crisco 1492: @Jeromi Mikhael: I'm not sure that an unattributed "probably" meets our standard for a "definite fact". RoySmith (talk) 18:55, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- I have nothing to add because I have no idea what “definite fact” was exactly referring to when it was added. SL93 (talk) 19:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- The meaning of "definite" for DYK purposes has changed over time. Originally, one interpretation means one that was properly cited and not in question (i.e. it is not likely to be challenged). The current wording over at WP:DYKG now says that it means a fact that is unlikely to change or become inaccurate during or before its DYK run. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:06, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I see. I don't see the hook becoming inaccurate for a production that happened over 100 years ago. The book reference is reliable and the author is reputable, but I'm not sure how attributing it would fix the concern. SL93 (talk) 00:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- One could argue that both interpretations are correct: it being unlikely to change, and also it not being questioned. I see though that the "probably" claim is attributed to only one writer, and I can see why the claim could be challenged. "First" hooks are usually problematic due to the level of evidence required. One possible solution could be to attribute the claim. That way, the "definite" part of the hook would be that Lin claimed that it was "probably" the first, without judging the accuracy of the actual "first" claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- That makes sense. "... that according to Theatre Studies professor Siyuan Liu, Spring Willow Society probably staged the first full-length Shakespearean play in China?" Someone would need to add the above link or a different one that mentions his career, while also adding it to the article. SL93 (talk) 00:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I've been ill for the past few days and am just checking in. I'd remove the caps in Theatre Studies, but otherwise the suggested ALT looks good to me. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:55, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- That makes sense. "... that according to Theatre Studies professor Siyuan Liu, Spring Willow Society probably staged the first full-length Shakespearean play in China?" Someone would need to add the above link or a different one that mentions his career, while also adding it to the article. SL93 (talk) 00:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- One could argue that both interpretations are correct: it being unlikely to change, and also it not being questioned. I see though that the "probably" claim is attributed to only one writer, and I can see why the claim could be challenged. "First" hooks are usually problematic due to the level of evidence required. One possible solution could be to attribute the claim. That way, the "definite" part of the hook would be that Lin claimed that it was "probably" the first, without judging the accuracy of the actual "first" claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I see. I don't see the hook becoming inaccurate for a production that happened over 100 years ago. The book reference is reliable and the author is reputable, but I'm not sure how attributing it would fix the concern. SL93 (talk) 00:15, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The meaning of "definite" for DYK purposes has changed over time. Originally, one interpretation means one that was properly cited and not in question (i.e. it is not likely to be challenged). The current wording over at WP:DYKG now says that it means a fact that is unlikely to change or become inaccurate during or before its DYK run. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:06, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- @DYK admins: The hook needs changed to "... that according to theatre studies professor Siyuan Liu, Spring Willow Society probably staged the first full-length Shakespearean play in China?" SL93 (talk) 02:20, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
@SL93:@Epicgenius: There's a substantial amount of copying (beyond just WP:CLOP) from tudorcitygreens.org/history and s-media.nyc.gov/agencies/lpc/lp/1579.pdf. That needs to get fixed. I also note that Wolverine X-eye who did the DYK review has recently been banned for abuses of the WP:GAN review process, so I'd say this review is suspect as well and somebody should probably give it an extra look. RoySmith (talk) 19:12, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Might as well ping GA reviewer Kusma as well. SL93 (talk) 19:18, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry I overlooked this; the copyvio is not Epicgenius' fault, but was present before he started on the article. —Kusma (talk) 19:33, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry about this. I'll take a look; I thought I got rid of the close paraphrasing, but apparently not. – Epicgenius (talk) 19:37, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- @RoySmith and @Kusma, my deepest apologies for overlooking the copyvios that were in the article. I have remediated these copyright violations, but there are some proper names (e.g. "Church of the Covenant") and common phrases (e.g. "Second and Third Avenues") that cannot be easily rephrased. – Epicgenius (talk) 19:53, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Not a problem. I was kind of surprised to see this sort of problem pop out from one of your nominations, and I'm relieved to hear your explanation for what happened. Looks better now.
- I've been by Tudor City many times but never inside. It looks like an amazing place to live, even more so given its location. RoySmith (talk) 00:58, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- @RoySmith and @Kusma, my deepest apologies for overlooking the copyvios that were in the article. I have remediated these copyright violations, but there are some proper names (e.g. "Church of the Covenant") and common phrases (e.g. "Second and Third Avenues") that cannot be easily rephrased. – Epicgenius (talk) 19:53, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry about this. I'll take a look; I thought I got rid of the close paraphrasing, but apparently not. – Epicgenius (talk) 19:37, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry I overlooked this; the copyvio is not Epicgenius' fault, but was present before he started on the article. —Kusma (talk) 19:33, 9 February 2025 (UTC)
@Aneirinn, Tenpop421, and Bunnypranav: I don't see where "first county seat" - or indeed any of the lede - is cited.--Launchballer 03:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The lead is cited now. Aneirinn (talk) 07:25, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Fine by me.--Launchballer 14:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
@BeanieFan11, Vigilantcosmicpenguin, and SL93: The hook is cited to Xinhua, for which WP:RSP recommends extreme caution for "extraordinary claims on [...] biographies of living people". For a three-day resignation, I'd like to see a better source.--Launchballer 03:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'll look for another source later today. I chose Xinhua because its English, and most of the sources covering the two were in Portuguese. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:10, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Voice of America, which I do cite in Ramos, has the same information. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I replaced the ref.--Launchballer 17:54, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Sims2aholic8, Allthegoldmedals, and HickoryOughtShirt?4: I added several {{cn}} tags; these will need to be resolved before showtime.--Launchballer 03:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Launchballer I'm thinking that it should just be switched out. The nominator hasn't edited all month. SL93 (talk) 20:19, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
@DYK admins: @AmateurHi$torian: suggested at the nom that this be semi-protected while on the main page. Probably not necessary, but opening this to the floor just in case.--Launchballer 03:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The selected hook ("that the Deval Masjid was formerly a temple?") is lacking in context. I would suggest semi-protecting and going with AmateurHi$torian's ALT1: ... that the Deval Mosque was formerly a Hindu temple? Gatoclass (talk) 12:37, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- FWIW, I asked around the functionary cabal to get some input on the protection question. The gist is that WP:CT/IPA applies here, which gives admins a lot of latitude in response to disruptive editing, but there wasn't any enthusiasm for preemptive protection. WP:PREEMPTIVE talks more about this. I've put this on my watchlist, and presumably other editors will do so as well, so at least we'll have lots of eyes on it to catch any problems quickly. Reverting should be our tool of choice, with semi-protection being brought into play only if there's a demonstrated need. RoySmith (talk) 14:39, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- BTW, changed "originally" to "formerly" in both hooks as the article states that it may originally have been a Buddhist or Jain temple. Gatoclass (talk) 13:05, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I changed the hook to ALT1.--Launchballer 14:57, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
This is a first hook, and so I'm opening this to the floor for extra scrutiny.--Launchballer 03:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The article looks fine, but the hook fact that he is the only Russian officer to graduate from the US Army college is evidently sourced to a 2009 article, and history shows a hook fact based on an outdated source is liable to getting pulled. So the hook would either have to be modified or a new hook found - but the nominator said that if he can't have that hook fact, he wants to withdraw the nom, so I think to respect the nominator's wishes the hook would have to be pulled unless he wants to change his mind. Gatoclass (talk) 12:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The nominator said that they would withdraw the nomination if they couldn't find another source confirming that fact, rather than if they can't get that specific hook fact. @Romanov loyalist: Would you be open to a completely different angle running instead of the currently-promoted angle? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I preemptively changed it to 'first'.--Launchballer 14:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- In that case we could leave the hook with the change to "first" if that is alright. Romanov loyalist (talk) 15:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I preemptively changed it to 'first'.--Launchballer 14:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- The nominator said that they would withdraw the nomination if they couldn't find another source confirming that fact, rather than if they can't get that specific hook fact. @Romanov loyalist: Would you be open to a completely different angle running instead of the currently-promoted angle? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:26, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
The reviewer has since been blocked (see #Tudor City). Looks good to me, but let's open this one up just in case.--Launchballer 03:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
@Jolielover and Miminity: This needs an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 03:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Done jolielover♥talk 03:54, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Fine by me.--Launchballer 03:55, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
@SL93: @GraziePrego: @P199:
This hook doesn't have a great image, especially at the small size required of the main page. One possibility might be using a deep crop of just one portion. I tried that with the thing that looks like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The result was certainly more visible, but totally missed the point of showing the drawings. I'm thinking we should shuffle hooks around and use a different one for the image. Looking at the other hooks in this set, File:Joneswinningshot.PNG from Jennifer Jones (curler) would be a good replacement. RoySmith (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- This is subjective. IMO, the image quality is more than adequate, even at a smaller size, considering that the pictograms are faded as it is. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 16:03, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I have no strong opinion either way, but the Jennifer Jones hook might need pulling per above. SL93 (talk) 20:20, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I pulled Jones and moved up Fatimid coinage from a prep.--Launchballer 01:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Disagree with switch. Sure, I am mot impartial to this, but on the other hand, there was really no compelling reason for it, just because 1 editor didn't like it. It's now a rather ineffective hook. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 15:21, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @P199 I know you're disappointed in not getting the image slot, so let me explain a bit more what the issue was. WP:DYKIMG requires that the image
display well in the small size of the {{main page image/DYK}} template
. Images with lots of fine detail, limited contrast, few sharp edges, and a subdued color palette unfortunately do not work well. I did a little searching and found https://albinger.me/2017/07/05/the-anishinaabe-pictograph-sites-of-missinaibi-lake/, which includes this excellent photo. Perhaps you could write to the photographer and ask them to upload it to commons? I've found that often times, people are happy to do so. That would make a great main page image. RoySmith (talk) 16:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @P199 I know you're disappointed in not getting the image slot, so let me explain a bit more what the issue was. WP:DYKIMG requires that the image
- @Launchballer: Disagree with switch. Sure, I am mot impartial to this, but on the other hand, there was really no compelling reason for it, just because 1 editor didn't like it. It's now a rather ineffective hook. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 15:21, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I pulled Jones and moved up Fatimid coinage from a prep.--Launchballer 01:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center
[edit]dyk-pingifier.js preview release
[edit]One of the annoying things about reviewing hooks (perhaps the most annoying) is all the boilerplate copy-paste that's necessary to generate the discussion threads we use. So, gathering up what minimal javascript skills I possess, I put together a little tool to help with that. There's a beta version at User:RoySmith/dyk-pingifier.js. Once you've installed that in your common.js (or whatever), when you're looking at a DYK nomination template, it'll add a text box to the top with the wikitext for the appropriate L3 header. It'll also scatter some "ping" buttons around, one after each user signature. As you click each one, it'll add the appropriate {{ping}} to the text box. Once you've got what you want, you can click the "Copy" button and paste that into this page.
I used it to generate the top part of Special:Diff/1275010685.
I already have some improvements in mind, but this seems useful enough for people to look at, so have at it. On my list is also adding a L2 header for the queue, being smarter about recognizing signatures, and auto-recognizing the "big three" (nom, promoter, author) who should always be pinged.
If you're on github, the best way to report any issues is to file a bug on github, but I'm happy to accept feedback on-wiki, etc. RoySmith (talk) 18:34, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I took this for a test drive. A L2 header probably isn't necessary if you're starting a new section, but linking to the actual username rather than the display name would be useful.--Launchballer 00:01, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Can you give me an example of where it gets the name wrong? I know of one case, but I'd like to hear what you found first. RoySmith (talk) 00:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- It gave me "{{ping|~ L 🌸}}" for LEvalyn and "{{ping|Heart}}" for HeartGlow30797.--Launchballer 00:31, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- OK, I think I've got that fixed now, thanks for the report. RoySmith (talk) 01:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Just tried testing it again. Most usernames come up with ranks, such as "More than 10,000 edits" or "New page reviewer", while SL93 comes up with "User:SL93" (his signature links to "User:SL93#top") and some don't appear at all, such as TompaDompa (presumably because he doesn't have a userpage).--Launchballer 17:34, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, that's weird. What template is this on? RoySmith (talk) 17:40, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Mesklin.--Launchballer 17:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I see what's going on. You load User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/UserHighlighterSimple.js which puts those things in the title attribute of the userpage links, and that's what I'm grabbing. OK, I've got a better plan, working on a fix. RoySmith (talk) 17:47, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I just uploaded a new version which (fingers crossed) fixes all the problems with usernames and funny signatures. I've also added a button to optionally include a L2 header. RoySmith (talk) 04:51, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, that's weird. What template is this on? RoySmith (talk) 17:40, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Just tried testing it again. Most usernames come up with ranks, such as "More than 10,000 edits" or "New page reviewer", while SL93 comes up with "User:SL93" (his signature links to "User:SL93#top") and some don't appear at all, such as TompaDompa (presumably because he doesn't have a userpage).--Launchballer 17:34, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- OK, I think I've got that fixed now, thanks for the report. RoySmith (talk) 01:48, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- It gave me "{{ping|~ L 🌸}}" for LEvalyn and "{{ping|Heart}}" for HeartGlow30797.--Launchballer 00:31, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Can you give me an example of where it gets the name wrong? I know of one case, but I'd like to hear what you found first. RoySmith (talk) 00:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, very nice! Definitely helpful! Valereee (talk) 01:59, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
Preps
[edit]Just a notice that we will need more prep builders soon. Between a part-time job and four college classes, I won't be able to build preps much. I have been the main prep builder for a few weeks now and I am fine with that, but things will be getting in the way. I also will be having surgery on my right shoulder within the next two weeks to stop it from dislocating so easily. I'm not sure how much the pain will prevent me from building preps. SL93 (talk) 20:17, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Best wishes for your surgery, @SL93! Valereee (talk) 02:00, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@DYK admins: Including this one, we're at six queues. If we can get two more promoted by tomorrow evening, we can go to two-a-day. (By way of disclosure, I've got four in prep 4, so I'm extremely eager that two-a-day doesn't affect it!)--Launchballer 23:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I hope we have enough assistance for 2 a day. SL93 (talk) 00:56, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Surtsicna: @Al Ameer son: @Bunnypranav: Could you walk me through the sourcing for this? I'm sure it's all there, but I'd like to be sure.--Launchballer 23:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- "that Walter III Brisebarre renounced the lordship of Beirut to inherit a greater lordship from his father-in-law,(Hamilton 1992, p. 142.) only to permanently lose both upon the deaths of his wife, Helena of Milly, and their daughter, Beatrice?"(Hamilton 2000, p. 92.) The details are in Walter_III_Brisebarre. Surtsicna (talk) 00:09, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I tweaked it slightly to make it compliant with WP:DYKHFC.--Launchballer 00:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Zmbro: @HeartGlow30797: @Thriley: @SL93: Hook needs an end of sentence citation.--Launchballer 23:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Done. SL93 (talk) 00:45, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Fine by me.--Launchballer 00:47, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: @Tenpop421: The hook and source both mention Ívar's discovery of feces, but the article only mentions "lived and defecated'. This could do with being made more explicit. Also, there's no way this is short enough for MOS:NOLEAD.--Launchballer 23:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I have had editors tell me that the lead did not matter for DYK purposes, while others have told me the opposite. Besides that, I have made the hook more explicit although I'm not sure it is needed. SL93 (talk) 01:02, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- This should be fine now.--Launchballer 01:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer & SL93: I have added a lead, broken the previous text into separate sections for his life/work, separated the notes into their own section, and revised the bit mentioned above to read:
Later excavations at Gård Under Sandet (Farm Beneath the Sand) corroborated these observations.[11] Inside an abandoned Norse home, archaeologists found one of the colony's last feral domesticated goats preserved in permafrost.[11] The removal of furniture indicated that the residents had intentionally abandoned the farm, and the layer of feces on the floor showed that the goat had lived in the empty home until a wall collapsed onto it.[11]
- Let me know if you all spot anything else, and thanks for the feedback, Rjjiii (talk) 17:51, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer & SL93: I have added a lead, broken the previous text into separate sections for his life/work, separated the notes into their own section, and revised the bit mentioned above to read:
- This should be fine now.--Launchballer 01:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@NeoGaze: @LEvalyn: Massive unsourced content in this, so much so that I actually gave up reading this halfway through. This should probably be pulled.--Launchballer 23:56, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Launchballer, I boldly swapped it out for Raging Bull (roller coaster) from a prep. The hook is directly cited after "Raging Bull was announced on October 21, 1998, set to become the tallest, fastest, and longest roller coaster at Six Flags Great America, and the first hypercoaster to feature a twister layout." However, someone else will need to take a look at this. The Mozart hook is now in prep 5. SL93 (talk) 00:54, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- The word "hyper-twister" only appears once, without quotes, in the lead unattributed.--Launchballer 01:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- To me, the cited "the first hypercoaster to feature a twister layout" makes it work. It's very picky in my mind to want it exact. SL93 (talk) 01:06, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Fine. ALT1 it is - "... that Raging Bull was the first hypercoaster to feature a twister layout?" SL93 (talk) 01:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Better, although it's cited to a press release and a Kenosha News article that attributes the company. I'm not sure this is enough for a first claim.--Launchballer 01:12, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think it's fine unless someone can find something to the contrary, and I have yet to find it. SL93 (talk) 01:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I have now sourced it to - this. SL93 (talk) 01:31, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Better, although it's cited to a press release and a Kenosha News article that attributes the company. I'm not sure this is enough for a first claim.--Launchballer 01:12, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- The word "hyper-twister" only appears once, without quotes, in the lead unattributed.--Launchballer 01:05, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
Themed set and special occasion time waiver request - 1 November 2025
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hey folks! One of my bucket-list items has been to have all DYK entries on 1 November 2025 be Karnataka-related articles, since 1 November is Kannada Rajyotsava. Currently, I have one nom cleared for promotion - Template:Did you know nominations/New Krishna Bhavan. Is it possible for this to be held until 1 November, to allow me to get the other 8 articles in? Kind regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk to me!/my edits) 09:40, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Bunnypranav: Courtesy ping. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk to me!/my edits) 09:42, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- November 1 is too far away for such a long hold (it's only February), so I don't think there will be consensus towards it. If you are fine with the hook running as a regular hook, that is probably the most practical option. I see that November 1 is Karnataka's foundation day and thus a holiday in that state. However, it is also All Saints Day in many Christian countries around the world, so I don't know if a full set would work. Full sets about more niche holidays or events have been controversial in the past (even the Queen Elizabeth set for her funeral was not without controversy), and while the guidelines say that such a special set can be proposed via a WT:DYK discussion, I have doubts one will be approved either.
- I think a more plausible option for you, if you really want to do an all-India article set, would be to propose one for India's Independence Day (August 15). We've had an all-Canada set for Canada Day in the past, so it's doable and more likely to gain consensus. Of course, that would require hooks about all of India and not just Karnataka, so it's okay if you don't want to go with that, and in any case, you'd probably still have to do the articles within the six-week limit. If you want Karnataka representation on November 1, my suggestion would just be to go with one or at most two hooks, since I really doubt that a full set would ever reach consensus. We don't even make full sets about specific US states or UK countries (among other theoretical examples), so I can't see an all-Karanataka set gaining consensus. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:03, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I do agree with the above (was typing basically the same content). As said on the DYK nom page, the restaurant, subject of the hook, is not much related to the holiday, it's not even mentioned in the page. You may be able to get along with a couple Karnataka hook in an all-India set, if that gets consensus. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 10:06, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you all for your input. In light of this, I'm fine with it being promoted right away. Perhaps I will plan something else for November 1. I'm not very well-versed in deeper DYK stuff like this and it helps to learn. Kind regards, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk to me!/my edits) 12:23, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I do agree with the above (was typing basically the same content). As said on the DYK nom page, the restaurant, subject of the hook, is not much related to the holiday, it's not even mentioned in the page. You may be able to get along with a couple Karnataka hook in an all-India set, if that gets consensus. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 10:06, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI You also need consensus that your themed set idea should be accepted, so I have amended the thread title. TSventon (talk) 09:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: this may be obvious, but if you want to write a couple of articles and then nominate them for 1 November you can create Help:Userspace drafts when you have the idea and then publish and nominate the articles six weeks before the date. TSventon (talk) 13:13, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I was thinking of something along those lines, yes. I have a bunch of planned drafts anyways. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (talk to me!/my edits) 13:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- You would also need get a discussion going before that for multiple related hooks to run together. I would support, but as noted above others will differ. CMD (talk) 09:09, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
I came across this DYK some weeks ago, started by Launchballer and reviewed by Lajmmoore and really didn't some of the hooks were particularly good or tasteful, and the remaining ALTs still give me an impression that this isn't something that's going to be a good advertisement for Wikipedia. So I'm bringing it here for review. If consensus is that the proposed ALT1 is okay, then let's go with that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I've put up a variation ALT1a. Personally I don't think it's either a good or a bad advertisement for Wikipedia. It's the world's oldest profession or so they say. TarnishedPathtalk 11:31, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I proposed some extra ALTs that sidestep porn altogether.--Launchballer 15:52, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Where does it say in the guidelines that DYKs have to be a "good advertisement for Wikipedia"? Lajmmoore (talk) 18:17, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I proposed some extra ALTs that sidestep porn altogether.--Launchballer 15:52, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Surtsicna: @Tenpop421: @SL93: Is the image clear enough at a small size?--Launchballer 17:30, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I would say yes, but maybe my glasses are just that awesome. SL93 (talk) 22:12, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Jolielover: @Gog the Mild: I think this is uncomfortably close to WP:CLOP in places and could do with being reworded.--Launchballer 17:29, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have rewritten some sentences. jolielover♥talk 17:47, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Darth Stabro: @Patar knight: Just noting that I removed some detail per WP:DYKTRIM.--Launchballer 17:29, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- okey-dokey! ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 18:03, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@TompaDompa: @DragonflySixtyseven: Can't find the hook, where is it?--Launchballer 17:29, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- An extrasolar planet is another name for an exoplanet. Changing exoplanet to extrasolar planet in the hook would fix any problems. SL93 (talk) 18:43, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Launchballer At first, I thought it was fine because the word is a synonym, but I see where you're coming from. I have changed the word in the queue. SL93 (talk) 23:42, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@DYK admins: We're now at 7 filled queues and should be able to go to 2-a-day.--Launchballer 19:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Note that the changeover should not occur until after midnight, about three hours from now. I will be moving the special occasion hook, currently the lead hook of Prep 5, to Prep 1 so it will run on February 19 as requested. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:08, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I promoted Statue of George Washington (Trenton, New Jersey) to prep 4, so it should run on 22 February.--Launchballer 22:18, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
I wrote this, and so must ask for another review - though I see the hook's changed since promotion.--Launchballer 19:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not really a fan of the new hook. I'm not sure if someone found the original one to be misleading. SL93 (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Piotrus: @Yakikaki: @SL93: This feels long. Could it be shortened?--Launchballer 19:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Is it too long per DYK guidelines? SL93 (talk) 22:10, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- The last time I checked it was within the 200 character limit... so what's the problem? "Feels" long? C'mon. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:24, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- PS. Re-reading the hook, we can probably drop the first of the two instances of "Polish", and perhaps the adjective socialist (communist will be enough). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:25, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- I had meant per WP:DYKTRIM.--Launchballer 00:35, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
@AmateurHi$torian: @Panamitsu: @SL93: Apart from the fact that the hooks lacks an end-of-sentence citation, I don't see how "might" complies with WP:DYKDEFINITE. Also, article feels WP:CLOPpy in places.--Launchballer 19:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Launchballer "... that the Andu Masjid, which might have been built as a women's mosque according to Henry Cousens, banned the entry of women?" I have added a direct citation. SL93 (talk) 02:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- SL93: Thanks for adding the citation and rewording the hook :) @Launchballer: I've read through the entire article and wasn't able to find the close paraphrasing; If you could please provide a paragraph or section, I'll reword it. -AmateurHi$torian (talk) 09:49, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild: @Cplakidas: Article has "hardly credible" in quotes, hook has it without. Which is it?--Launchballer 19:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: both. "hardly credible" is part of a longer quote in the article, so the whole phrase there is within quote marks. It is not necessary nor normal to put one or two word quotes in quote marks, so the extracted shorter "hardly credible" in the hook is not. Similarly, "an enormous gamble" is a direct quote from Wanklyn but is so short that it is not in quote marks in the article. (Nor the hook.) Gog the Mild (talk) 19:44, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
@Oganguly: This cites a Medium post by the founders, which I would argue falls foul of WP:DUE, and WP:BUSINESSINSIDER, which I'd question the reliability of.--Launchballer 19:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see it as an issue in this case. The information doesn't sound contentious and one could argue that WP:ABOUTSELF applies here. If there are really concerns about the use of Medium here, the hook could be attributed rather than ditched entirely. As for Business Insider, it's a common misconception that yellow means "not allowed", when it actually means "case-by-case basis". For more controversial or contentious stuff, yellow sources like Insider (or Fox News) are probably not appropriate, but they can be used for more mundane or non-controversial information. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:17, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, I was suggested to run with the Medium article for the direct quote, but here's some secondary coverage for it: https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/25/20982653/allbirds-ceo-amazon-copy-shoe-environment-sustainability-steal. The Verge is kosher AFAIK. I would also say that the Business Insider article is hardly fluff and should be considered by its own merits, as Narutolovehinata5 says. Ornov Ganguly TALK 00:38, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
I nominated this, and so must ask for another review - though if the word 'porno' is encyclopedic, then perhaps the hook could be shortened to it.--Launchballer 19:25, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
Need to set DYK updates to twice-per-day
[edit]@DYK admins: please reset User:DYKUpdateBot/Time Between Updates to 43200 right away—certainly before noon UTC—so we can start three days of two-a-day promotions. (This is because we had seven filled queues before midnight and—more to the point—have six filled queues now, effective after tonight's midnight promotion, which is the agreed-upon trigger for the change.) The special occasion hooks have already been moved to reflect the faster promotions, and hopefully this faster rate will help get us reduce the number of hooks on the Approved page are don't transclude. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:53, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
Done. —Ganesha811 (talk) 07:05, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
Soon upcoming special date request
[edit]Hello, I understand this is close timing but I just saw that February 22 is coming up, National Cat Day in Japan, so I thought it might be fun to run Template:Did you know nominations/Nekonomics if someone is able to review it on time and prep/queue it on time. Thanks, CMD (talk) 16:58, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- I can prep if someone else reviews, probably to the quirky slot.--Launchballer 17:28, 12 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis, I've done the review and made a few notes. Rjjiii (talk) 04:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you both. CMD (talk) 07:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis & Launchballer: it's approved, Rjjiii (talk) 16:55, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- Promoted. I took a look before you did, lest anybody accuses me of spending less than a minute reviewing two articles.--Launchballer 16:58, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis & Launchballer: it's approved, Rjjiii (talk) 16:55, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you both. CMD (talk) 07:14, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis, I've done the review and made a few notes. Rjjiii (talk) 04:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
@Bunnypranav:
@TenPoundHammer:
@Hawkeye7:
This is a "first" type hook, which requires a high quality source. WP:ALLMUSIC says Some editors question the accuracy of these websites for biographical details and recommend more reliable sources when available
, so we really need something better. RoySmith (talk) 15:03, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- There seems to be a newspaper source as well in the hook, but I can't read it as it is paywalled. Anyone who has WikiLibrary access to Newspapers.com can give a look at it? ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 16:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- You mean "Smoky Hill festival to feature Nitty Gritty Dirt Band". The Salina Journal. April 28, 1978. p. 1. Retrieved July 11, 2024? That says "They are the first performers of contemporary music to tour the Soviet Union under State Department auspices", which is a bit more restrictive than what the hook says; "the first American musical act" could have been a classical (or something else other than "contemporary") music group that toured before the NGDB. As a technical nit, see WP:CLIP for the right way to cite newspapers.com. RoySmith (talk) 16:36, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: I clipped the newspaper source here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- No, that's not what they mean by a clip. What you want to do is click the "Clip" button in the toolbar (the one with the little scissors icon). Then you get to drag a selection rectangle over the area you want and save the clipping. You should end up with a URL that looks like https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-salina-journal-nitty-gritty-dirt-ban/165396238/, i.e. with "/article" instead of "/image". That URL should be visible to anybody even if they don't have a newspapers.com account. I don't know why they make this so complicated and unintuitive. RoySmith (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- Gah! No, that doesn't quite work either. I'm sorry, I have no clue what's going on other than newspapers.com seems to keep mutating their system and breaking it in new and exciting ways. This used to work. It used to generate a /clip URL which was visible in an incognito window. These new-fangled /article URLs seem to just show you a scaled-down teaser image but then requires you to log in to see the full size one. Sammi Brie do you have any idea what's going on here? RoySmith (talk) 21:27, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- No, that's not what they mean by a clip. What you want to do is click the "Clip" button in the toolbar (the one with the little scissors icon). Then you get to drag a selection rectangle over the area you want and save the clipping. You should end up with a URL that looks like https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-salina-journal-nitty-gritty-dirt-ban/165396238/, i.e. with "/article" instead of "/image". That URL should be visible to anybody even if they don't have a newspapers.com account. I don't know why they make this so complicated and unintuitive. RoySmith (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: I clipped the newspaper source here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:02, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- You mean "Smoky Hill festival to feature Nitty Gritty Dirt Band". The Salina Journal. April 28, 1978. p. 1. Retrieved July 11, 2024? That says "They are the first performers of contemporary music to tour the Soviet Union under State Department auspices", which is a bit more restrictive than what the hook says; "the first American musical act" could have been a classical (or something else other than "contemporary") music group that toured before the NGDB. As a technical nit, see WP:CLIP for the right way to cite newspapers.com. RoySmith (talk) 16:36, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Three Hennepin Avenue Bridge hooks (still)
[edit]Did anyone come up with an action plan for the Hennepin Avenue Bridge hooks? All three of them are still waiting for discussion to be done here before being promoted or in one case approved at all. Departure– (talk) 18:32, 13 February 2025 (UTC)